I thought the Conservatives were opposed to banning things, because that's 'cancel culture' and denial of free-speech
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[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...
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Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
It certainly isn’t common sense which is her portfolio.I thought the Conservatives were opposed to banning things, because that's 'cancel culture' and denial of free-speech
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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funny though quite a few on the right have been saying Conservatives have failed because they haven't done these things. taxes have gone up, spending and government is ever increasing. after some crowing that Blair's New Labour had to adopt Thatherite policies, they now complain Tories adopted Blair policies. the richest that get so much attention are because of the same monety policies followed on both sides of Atlantic, make credit cheap and asset values inflate.
BrianB
Sleepy Mid Sussex
- Nov 14, 2020
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Mad Maria on radio4 this morning explaining this ........ Badly.
www.theguardian.com
Women having ‘harrowing’ births as hospitals hide failures, says MPs’ report
UK birth trauma inquiry finds women variously mocked, ignored, fobbed off with paracetamol and left permanently damaged
www.theguardian.com
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
That’s horrific.Mad Maria on radio4 this morning explaining this ........ Badly.
Women having ‘harrowing’ births as hospitals hide failures, says MPs’ report
UK birth trauma inquiry finds women variously mocked, ignored, fobbed off with paracetamol and left permanently damaged
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Randy McNob
Now go home and get your f#cking Shinebox
- Jun 13, 2020
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You mean another headline grabbing gimmick is canned, until the next one
TomandJerry
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- Oct 1, 2013
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The cornerstone of Rishi Sunak’s Rwanda deportation policy should not apply in Northern Ireland because it undermines human rights protections guaranteed in the region under post-Brexit arrangements, a high court judge has ruled.
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Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Step by stealthy step, like boiling a frog.
First of all, they label the state pension a benefit, then the freeze the tax threshold, reduce the NI payments, then have the right to examine bank accounts of benefit claimants (including pensioners) and now, discussing the idea of means testing the state pension.
It is already the lowest in Europe, below the living wage, and any care has to be paid for.
First of all, they label the state pension a benefit, then the freeze the tax threshold, reduce the NI payments, then have the right to examine bank accounts of benefit claimants (including pensioners) and now, discussing the idea of means testing the state pension.
It is already the lowest in Europe, below the living wage, and any care has to be paid for.
Surely means testing the pension is actually a progressive measure?
Any pensioners struggling are presumably not those who would not qualify for a means-tested pension?
IMO something like this needed but I never thought the Tories would want to put their name to it. Wealthy pensioners aren't their usual target when it comes to cutting spending.
- Jun 20, 2021
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In one sense it is, but on the other hand, one of the reasons people have been paying National insurance for 70 years is that theoretically, it has been paying towards their pensions. Those who do not pay enough NI over their working life, get a reduced pension.
So, strictly speaking the state pension is not a benefit, but a reward for working for 35+ years and paying tax to the government.
Of course if NI is abolished, then in future you could argue that pensions become a benefit for those who haven't paid NI and could be means tested, but I don't think you can do that for existing pensioners. Unfortunately, that would lead to a two tier system.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Would you be happy living on £9K a year? A very small private pension of £3500 takes you above the tax threshold so paying income tax.
That is below the minimum wage.
There are a few wealthy pensioners but they aren’t the norm and I can guarantee they aren’t women.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
It’s already a two tier system.
from April 2024: The full state pension rose from £203.85 a week to £221.20 a week, or £11,502 a year. The basic state pension rose from £156.20 a week to £169.50 a week, or £8,814 a year
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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a lot of leaps being made there. just because a tweet makes a misinterpretation no need to follow them. pensioners, not pensions, being means tested has been talked about for years. example winter fuel payments, it has long been suggested should only go to those that actually need it. people, pensioners, quite often joke about it being the wine fund or christmas bonus.
edit, lol at the context, Braverman wanting to remove the two child benefit cap. they dont do consistent thinking.
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Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
The only leap is the final discussion. The rest has already happened. Pensioners joke about the winter fuel allowance so it should be means tested? Exactly how many pensioners joke about wine funds? Numbers please not apocryphal gossip.
There's a big gap between these though. The state pension was defined as a benefit in the National Insurance Act of 1946, it's a bit late to be objecting to that
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Oh, that's alright then.
There was also Pritti Patel referring to people as working and nonworking units.
cheshunt seagull
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- Jul 5, 2003
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Her speech had all the hallmarks of someone who had lost contact with reality. She also talked about civil servants being distracted by an obsession with diversity. Having worked in a public service diversity was about ensuring that the workforce reflected the society we served and that as wide a section of society as possible had the opportunity to contribute and develop. This gave us the best chance of employing the best people. It was also about services being accessible to all. This was not a ‘woke’ obsession or distraction but simply being committed and professional. Truth is that when I retired 2 years ago we still had some way to go. As for lanyards, I also wore a BHAFC one.